Land at Hazelbadge road consultation event.

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Re: Land at Hazelbadge road consultation event.

Postby nedsram » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 pm

Planning application ref 17/6471M is here.

Master plan. Note the provision for a road leading to a possible second phase towards Lower Park Road.

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Re: Land at Hazelbadge road consultation event.

Postby AndrewJ » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:46 pm

Unsurprisingly this hasn't been significantly changed since the consultation.

  • 29 social houses, so at last some much-needed cheaper houses for Poynton.
  • 2 children's playgrounds (no details that I could see)
  • An allotment patch! Doesn't look big at approx 750sqm, probably 6 or so half-size plots, and more a sop than anything, but better than nothing. Can't see how you'd access it though!
  • Makes Hazelbadge Road 20mph, good for the school.
  • Limits parking near the school to 10 minutes which is likely to remove a lot of school traffic if policed effectively, as 10 mins isn't really long enough for anything other than quick drop-off - young kids need more than that.
  • Apparently 146 houses will only generate 230 car journeys in an entire weekday, so obviously Poynton will be the first place in the world to benefit from StarTrek-style matter transporters, which is something to celebrate.

Minuses (apart from the fact that we will lose what is now a rewilded and pleasant meadow):
  • They appeared to have made a traffic count of current traffic with their eyes shut while looking the wrong way.
  • Still no access path to the adjacent railway station, which seems a little short-sighted. Perhaps they can't get access permission but that would be odd given the station's current poor access by foot or bike and Network Rail's enthusiasm for such things. At present they say the site is 450m from the station, but it could be less than 50m!
  • Claim a 2 metre wide pavement along Chester Road, which is incorrect. It is too narrow for 2 people to walk comfortably side-by-side, so unless I am unusually portly I would say approx 1-metre.
  • They will have to widen Hazelbadge Road at the junction with Chester Road, which they will only be able to to if they take a piece of the adjacent houses' gardens. Assuming they are given permission to do so, this design is entirely about making the speed of cars entering and exiting quicker, which flies in the face of most traffic planning in a school and residential area. It also makes the crossing of the road for people walking to the station and beyond more difficult.
  • Looks like they haven't adequately replaced the 2 footpaths that currently run through the location (council's PROW team has already seen this I notice).
  • Travel plan seems to be based entirely on London-centric ideas about how people can move about. They seem to think that walking and cycling are the easy first-choice options for anyone who wants to travel within Poynton, and public transport for further afield. Unless they only plan to sell to fit Green Party activists, and have made a contribution to decent walking/cycling infrastructure I find this unlikely. It doesn't even look like many of the roads in their own development will have pavements.
  • The currently full Lower Park school is the school of choice for the developers, however there is no mention of extra spaces being funded that I can find.
  • Needless vehicle access point into the field behind (the field can already be accessed from 2 other points). Obviously intended for future development, and against the terms under which this plot of land was granted housing permission.
  • I'd have thought that coaches for the school would find it more difficult to turn under these plans. The traffic planning only takes into account the turning circle of a medium size car.
  • Usual rather optimistic and odd choice of local facilities and distance to local facilities. Probably a non-local doing it from a desk using Google. :lol:
  • Amusing whinge about the pedestrian crossing on Chester Road making traffic planning difficult, so appear to want to pretend it is not there. At the same time claiming that the Poynton Relief Road will significantly reduce delay times at the junction, when their own figures show that it won't, particularly. We're talking maybe 1 or 2 seconds per car.

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