Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby nedsram » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:36 am

It would help members of the public who would be affected if they held the meeting at a time when public transport (i.e. the P1) was available to take them to the meeting.

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby Rostervor » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:11 am

nedsram wrote:It would help members of the public who would be affected if they held the meeting at a time when public transport (i.e. the P1) was available to take them to the meeting.

I mentioned the meeting to a regular P1 user from the West side who said exactly the same.

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby turdo170 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:12 pm

So just to add to the argument for the P1 retention, Poynton will be served by the following trains from May 2018:

Monday - Saturday

Confirmed proposed starting times from Manchester

xx17 Manchester - Macclesfield (starts from Blackpool North and serves Poynton approx xx35) - runs fast to Macclesfield - P1 from/to Middlewood
xx:43 Manchester - Stoke (Poynton approx xx02 based on current timings) - P1 from/to Hazel Grove

Unconfirmed rough timings from Macclesfield:


xx21 Macclesfield - Manchester (would start from Stoke - as current Poynton xx31) - P1 from/to Middlewood
xx51 Macclesfield - Blackpool North (runs fast to Poynton approx xx59) - P1 from/to Hazel Grove

I haven't seen any timings for the hourly Sunday rail services yet but will keep an eye out for all unconfirmed proposed timings.

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby Rostervor » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:08 pm

I thought a few more interested members of the public may have turned up to the Council meeting tonight.
The out come was the town council are against the proposals.

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby nedsram » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:07 pm

How would people who rely on the P1 for mobility have got to the meeting? The outcome doesn't surprise me, but unfortunately they are not the ones who make the decision.

I'm trying to remember how long it was after they built the footpath and crossing to the bus stop near the oil terminal entrance that they axed the service on that route. Not that there's anything on the bus stop to make this clear. (Over the border, at least they put "no service".)

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby nowthensithe » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:01 pm

From two different P1 travelers yesterday I heard that the new directive is operational from October this year?

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby nedsram » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:25 pm

No, the "implementation target" is Spring next year.

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby nowthensithe » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:38 pm

Reasonable turn out at the Civic Hall this afternoon around 2h30 pm.

A number of CEC employees in attendance - regretfully some not having much knowledge of Poynton and its environs

Did manage to ascertain implementation next year and the proposed routing of the P1 or whatever the revised number will be.

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby adab » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:58 pm

I was reading through the Bus Services Review and noted that we are the only key service centre identified as having large areas where residents will have no public transport access to the facilities in their own town (e.g. Dr's, dentist, postal service, banks, schools, leisure centre) etc.

2 Accessibility mapping has also been undertaken to highlight the areas of the Borough which would no longer have accessibility to a key service centre or principal town in Cheshire East. Mapping of the results is presented in Appendix 7, with the areas of the Borough which would no longer have weekday 60 minutes bus travel time access by rail or bus including (but are not limited to):
 Disley (all time periods) – whilst Disley is shown as no longer having access, the level of accessibility would remain as at present following the change to the 60 service in March 2017. Disley would continue to be connected to Stockport and Buxton through the commercial 199 service but would not have bus access to a key service centre or principal town in Cheshire East;
Some areas of Poynton (all time periods);
 Areas to the west of Handforth (all time periods);
 High Legh, Little Bollington, Mere (PM peak, off peak);
 Cranage and Goostrey (off peak);
 Warmingham (all time periods);
 Worleston (AM peak);
 Rural areas to south and west of Nantwich (mainly off peak);
 Rode Heath (AM and PM peak periods);
 Scholar Green (all time periods); and
 A34 corridor between Alsager and Congleton (off peak).


Also, does anyone know what the significance of the LTP priorities weighting is and how they calculated it?

Weighted Scores
.....................................................................................LTP Priorities...Accessibility....Financial ....Contract Index out of 100
319 Sandbach - Holmes Chapel - Goostrey Mondays to Fridays All day .... 6.3 .........7.20...........1.75..........84.80
Beartown Network Monday to Saturday All day.....................................6.3........... 5.66 .........3..............83.17
289 Northwich - Knutsford - Altrincham Mondays to Saturdays All day .......6.3............6.17.......1.75...........79.08
P1 Poynton - Hazel Grove Mondays to Saturdays All day...........................4.2.............4.63........3............65.77


The report says P1 has a relatively low subsidy cost per passenger so why are they considering cutting off access to the West side of Poynton whilst supporting moderate and high cost routes?

P1 Poynton - Hazel Grove All parts of service are supported
Route mostly retained as part of route F with timetable and route changes
This service provides access to a large number of schools, medical facilities as well as supporting several local plan development sites within Poynton. This service provides a relatively low subsidy cost per passenger.


51/52/53 72/73 Nantwich - Whitchurch/Locals All parts of service are supported Route mostly retained as route G with timetable and route changes
This service provides links to a large number of schools as well as a large number of regional health facilities. This route also provides access to local plan development sites. Currently the service requires a relatively moderate level of subsidy per passenger which could be reduced by removing the need for a vehicle as part of the prospoals.


42 Crewe - Congleton All parts of service are supported Route mostly retained as route C with timetable and route changes
The route links into a number of educational and health facilities as well as providing access to key shopping leisure and recreation areas. The route also passes through AQMAs and passes Local Plan development sites. The service is currently well used with a relatively moderate cost per passenger.


39 Nantwich -Wybunbury - Crewe All parts of service are supported Route mostly retained as route B
The route links areas to the south of Crewe and provides access to a number of educational and health facilities. The route also provides access to a number of Local Plan development sites, points of interchange and key shopping, employment and leisure opportunities. The service does require a higher level of subsidy per passenger but the route has only been operating a relatively short period of time and has shown substantial growth in passenger numbers since commencing in Autumn 2016.

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Re: Cheshire Bus Cuts - The Latest (Poynton)

Postby nedsram » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:33 am

There's a front page article on the proposed bus service changes in today's Poynton Post, including several ways of making your views known to the powers that be. Please respond even if you are not a bus user. Don't rely on others doing this; they may be relying on you. The consultation ends on July 26th.

Email comments to bus.review@cheshireeeast.gov.uk, or

Tweet CEC using hashtag #CECBRS2017, or

visit their web site where you can complete a questionnaire, or

Complete a survey form and return to:
Freepost Plus RSJJ - YTHC - CHZK
Research and Consultation
Cheshire East Council
Westfields
Middlewich Road
Sandbach
CW11 1HZ

The Town Council is pressing hard to retain the P1 service. Please give them your support.


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