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Desmo Man
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Re: Black Tarmac

Postby Desmo Man » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:25 pm

Is the black tarmac that is along side the church wall on London road ever going to be removed and the bricks replaced ?, and why do we still have barriers along side the black tarmac leading from Fountain Place along Chester road. This are is now becoming a tip !

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Re: Black Tarmac

Postby AnotherWhingerLike_U » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm

Desmo Man wrote:... This are is now becoming a tip !

As they’ve flogged off the storage area near the pool.. Maybe it’s a convenient storage area for further repairs/ temp fixes which they’re pretty sure will be needed judging the history of shared space.

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Re: Black Tarmac

Postby yewtreeman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:10 pm

As this string has morphed again into a discussion on the parking situation in the shared space, it is worth pointing out that the earlier reference to 'blind', as if this was a good description of individuals at risk, is questionable. Due to the age range of people in Poynton there will be a good number of residents who have some vision impairment. Safety in crossing the kerbless shared space is relevant to a wider range of people. That leads on to the nasty habit of some drivers not only of parking half or fully on the pavement but also close to the ersatz crossing strips. By doing that they obscure a driver's sight of people trying to cross. I had the alarming experience recently of driving slowly along when just in front of me the first wheels of a buggy projected from behind the back of a van. As is frequently seen, it had parked so close to the crossings that pedestrians were invisble until they 'emerged' Luckily the buggy pusher was alert and not on their phone! That is exactly why proper 'zebra' crossings have parking restrictions in each direction.

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Re: Black Tarmac

Postby Rostervor » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:28 am

Going back to the planning of the shared space, a survey was carried out on where people crossed Park Lane. The majority crossed where the crossing strips are placed. But in the plans they were described as “Suggested Crossing points” and not as the only place to cross.

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Re: Black Tarmac

Postby yewtreeman » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:36 pm

That may be - but it is what people do that is the point. Even a superficial observation tells you that they have come to strongly favour the crossing strips while thinking about their safety and reasonably so! There was also the bizarre notion originally (from somewhere) of people making eye contact but that only works if people are generally local and it is not commuter time on a wet January evening.

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Re: Black Tarmac

Postby vmeldrew » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:07 am

Returning slightly to the subject of Black Tarmac, what concerns me is the behaviour of pedestrians at the very ends of the shared space scheme where normal traffic rules apply. I've had several instances of pedestrians with and without buggies marching onto the black tarmac, without looking, thinking that they still had some sort of priority.

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Re: Black Tarmac

Postby AndrewJ » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:29 pm

The law and Highway Code are a bit confusing about who has priority where, so it is not surprising that some people are doing it wrong. I am too lazy to look it up, but generally pedestrians have more rights than most motorists seem to think. Pedestrians have a right to use the road but motorists just have a license along with a mandated duty of care towards pedestrians, however stupid they may be. A pedestrian is supposed to stop and wait for a gap in traffic when crossing, but equally motorists are encouraged to be nice and let them cross if there is no proper crossing nearby. Actually Shared Space has the same rules, it is just the road design that reinforces it.

On junctions pedestrians who are already crossing have priority over turning traffic, but many walkers seem to interpret this to mean that they don't need to look in the first place. In theory motorists turning into (e.g.) Clifford Road from London Road must always stop for pedestrians who are crossing rather than hammering on their horn with apoplectic rage. 'Tis a brave person who tests this however.

Back to the black tarmac - if the Shared Space does ever get extended down to Queensway maybe they should just do it in crazy paving - so when it is all dug up it doesn't matter how it is put back. :-)

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